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    Posted: 20 July 2010 at 16:11
Originally posted by GW4KJW

Given the present economic climate, I would have thought it unlikely his work commitments, which naturally and quite rightly take priority, will lessen in the near future.

Don't assume, as you obviously don't know what his job is.

No, I'm not telling you as it's not appropriate for a public forum, but the economic climate does not affect his work (other than being made redundant, but we all run that risk!).
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Originally posted by G1HUL

Don't assume, as you obviously don't know what his job is.

No, I'm not telling you as it's not appropriate for a public forum, but the economic climate does not affect his work (other than being made redundant, but we all run that risk!).


Nor do I particularly care, since it doesn't affect my question, but since you've raised it I'm content to re-phrase my question anyway.
Is somebody with work commitments - whatever they may or may not be - which take him/her out of the country, the best choice for leading the training team?

Happy now?
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Originally posted by GW4KJW

Nor do I particularly care, since it doesn't affect my question, but since you've raised it I'm content to re-phrase my question anyway.
Is somebody with work commitments - whatever they may or may not be - which take him/her out of the country, the best choice for leading the training team?

Happy now?

Yes it does affect your question, as you postulated that someone who is out of the country could not do the job, and the time spent absent would be worse in the future due to economic factors.

Nothing to be "Happy" about Confused

All I was doing was pointing out that, without knowing the facts (which I do), you cannot make a statement like that.

Chris changed roles last year and has since then been UK-based. Circumstances occurred that he has had to unexpectedly spend a short time out of the country, but fully expects to be UK-based for the vast majority of the time.

We all have times away from volunteer roles, for a wide range of reasons, and as long as those reasons don't impact on that work (which I don't believe they have in this instance), there isn't a problem.

Anyway, Cathy is on the case and we hope for Chris to make contact very soon.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GW4KJW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2010 at 18:38
Originally posted by G1HUL

Yes it does affect your question, as you postulated that someone who is out of the country could not do the job


That is the question which I said Cathy's posting prompted, yes.

Originally posted by G1HUL

and the time spent absent would be worse in the future due to economic factors.


Did it occur to you that I might just have been being, shall we say, diplomatic?
A quick Google can tell you a lot about a callsign, particularly when you have a relative who is also spending periods out of the country.

Originally posted by G1HUL

Chris changed roles last year and has since then been UK-based. Circumstances occurred that he has had to unexpectedly spend a short time out of the country, but fully expects to be UK-based for the vast majority of the time.

We all have times away from volunteer roles, for a wide range of reasons, and as long as those reasons don't impact on that work (which I don't believe they have in this instance), there isn't a problem.


Indeed we do.  But is it unreasonable to expect that somebody else might have taken over Chris's role during that period, or at least, that someone would have bothered to tell the membership there would be a delay?

Last year there was all of the nonsense surrounding members supplies and the abrupt closure of this forum.   Did anybody bother to keep the membership informed?  No they didn't.
When the issues were apparently resolved, members were informed that management had learned from the matter and it wouldn't happen again and the members would be kept informed.

So what is this?  A re-run or part two?

Again you've failed to keep the membership informed of what is happening...... And please!  No nonsense about nobody having the time to make a posting to the effect that such and such would be delayed, but had not been forgotten about.

That way you won't have Gavin and others left out in the cold without the slightest idea of what's going on.  For God's sake RAYNET is supposed to be about communication.  It's a shame it can't even be bothered to communicate with its members.
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Welcome to RAYNET. Nice to see nothing has changed since the forum closure. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote g6rib Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 July 2010 at 19:43
I actually agree with Gareth and have made that clear to all of CoM. 
 
I've often said that RAYNET passes messages but RAYNET does not communicate.  The organisation is guilty of that but the other side of the coin is that you need to communicate with us.  If we don't know about a problem we certainly can't deal with it. 
 
If you're not happy with something tell one of us at an early stage rather than waiting until frustration drives you to posting!  The forum can be effective but is not always the best route.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Gavin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2010 at 10:07

Having read all the posts that have been typed since my 'rant', i feel that I should explain a little bit more, as I have ommitted some information which will clear things up a bit.

To clarify the matter, I posted and Mark replied, followed by Jim's post about contacting the training team. Both Mark and I duly sent off e-mails asking if we could be of assistance. After a delay of a week (or so) I recieved an e-mail from Chris apologising for the delay in getting back to me, stating he would like Mark and I to join the team. The e-mail went on to say that he had been out of the country on business and had just returned.

Chris informed me that he would send me some information in a day or two to have a look at and see where we could go from there. I duly replied and also sent him a copy of the training manual I had written for my group. Since then, I have had no contact from Chris.

Next, thank you for taking the time to respond to the posts, and thank you to the few people who have taken the time to contact me directly. I have spoken to Andy Evans at length, and he is aware of the frustration and disappointment that this situation has caused both Mark and myself. In hind sight, I would say that although I have put things in writing on the forum, it was probably not the best way of going about things and maybe it could have been resolved if I had made contact with a member of the COM first. I will say that I stand by what I have written and I think I can speak for Mark on this also, all we want is to get involved and 'stuck in' to the training, and make it something that all groups across the country will benefit from. From the conversations we have had, not to mention all the documents we have exchanged, we have a passion for this and want to make RAYNET the best and most efficient we can, and ensure that all operators, no matter who they are or where they are from are all highly trained and 'singing from the same hymn sheet'.

Thank you to Cathy for the prompt response also, and I do hope that this does not escalate into the derogatory comments and suffering we had last year. I was confident at that point that lessons would have been learned, but there still appears to be problems and as stated in previous posts, there is little or nothing comes to the membership from the COM. That said, I am sure that do a great job and do a lot of work that we will never actually see or know about and hope that things do improve, for the sake of the organisation.

Lastly, and on a personal note, although I am very grateful for the responses, can I ask all members who either read this or are posting anywhere on the forum to think about what they are saying before they post it. Human nature is to read something and just post the reply, but things can spiral out of control very quickly when someone puts a remark on that others do not agree with. Think about what you want to say and if you are offended bite your lip or send a private message. I would not want to be involved in a discussion which starts to get heated and derogatory. It does not do anyone any good.

I have had the old red mist syndrome and posted after a lot of thought about it, and I hope it has not damaged any relations with anyone. We may not all see eye to eye, but we need to work together and get on with the tasks at hand for the greater good.

Thanks,

Gavin

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I would like to offer a comment that was given to me a few years ago.

'It takes only moments to rip a problem apart but it takes a long time to fix it'

After the problem last year I think a lot of people thought the magic wand of CoM fixing would sort all the communication problems, but with the best of intention this problem can not be fixed overnight.

The question is "So what can we the members do to help the CoM fix the problem?"

maybe having a clear point of contact for problems may be something to look at so the CoM know the problems that they need to look at.

In a team there is the head and a suitable team member to be point of contact/ temp head, when the head person of that team is unavailable for a period of time due to personal circumstance.

I think the CoM would like to have constructive comments and suggestions on how to fix problems as we can sometime see them in a different light.
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I must agree with Gavin about the lack of communication following on from my offer of help. I will not continue any further discussion on why or why not things have not progressed, as an open forum is not the place to voice these sort of remarks.

Back onto the topic of training. I hope your work on producing your training documents are progressing well Gavin.
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